Historic GT & Touring cars mod

mustang · Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 7

This mod is fantastic it's all I run. I run off line races mainly because I don't have the time too run that much of late. I was watching a replay of a race that I ran, I was changing cars that I was watching and switched to in car view and I noticed when the AI would shift there was no delay in changing gears. I don't know if you can fix this or not in the next update?
It answers one of my problems I thought I had in my wheel. When I was running flat out going up through the gears side by side with the AI they always seemed to acc. faster. I thought my gas peddel on my wheel was to blame. All things are not equal, I'm set up with the shifting delay and the AI don't have one.

the_last_name_left · Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 49

can manual clutch mean quicker gear changes ?

Niels_at_home · Physics Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 423

We wanted the default settings to be 'realistic', meaning we expect the user to use 3 pedals, manual clutch, manual heel and toe.. the lot. This means almost zero delay shifts.

The AI takes the default settings, so thats why they shift quickly.. Its not ideal, but then, they drive like Mazzacane or Taki Inoue did; why not go online instead of against the crappy ai? Smile

the_last_name_left · Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 49

so there's a potential advantage to using manual clutch?

Rantam · Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:56 am Post subject:

Well, that depends on the approach. "Heel & Toe" upgrade (Manual shifting + clutch) doesn't have a delay because it's supposed that there's a small "real"delay due the manual process of changing the gear (press clutch, change gear, release clutch). No need to say It's an advanced driving skill also.

But users with automatic shifting or sequential without clutch don't have such "real" delay, and is much easier to shift gears.

So we thought it would be good to try to compensate that difference.

But yes, that upgrade is not penalized by an "artificial" delay.

the_last_name_left · Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 49

at least now i have an excuse for being slower.........

Smile

Gabkicks · Betatester Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 111 Location: USA

People who use manual have more to think about with their brain. One time i was racing, and it was too much for my brain to downshift healtoe brake, turn in, and not hit the car i was passing, so i didn't shift down and the car fell out of the powerband :/ I think I was just out of practice and driving too hard.
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the_last_name_left · Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 49

oh I don't doubt there's a lot to it.

Trying in a real car is a joke for me - can't do it. perhaps in someone else's car.......lol

reminds me - friend of mine crashed his (real) car because he couldn't be bothered to take his roller skates off. Pressed the brake, wheels on skates turned, foot slipped of brake, crashed. lol

Rantam · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:34 am Post subject:

good one!
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YoShImUrA · Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:27 am Post subject:

how come somebody drive with their rollers skates on?

he really deserved to crash, lol...
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bdr_ws6 · Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 5

I was just playing around and took the time to change the upgrade file and hdv around on every car to fix this. Therefore if I wanted I can still use the "heel and toe" but as an upgrade and the default for any car, even AI cars, is the delayed shift.

Of course I backed up the original files, in case I wanted to go back or if it didn't work. But it did work.

stabiz · Team member Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Posts: 164

Rantam · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject:

good one stabiz!

Expect changes in upgrades for the next update ;)
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sigmatc24 · Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 7

Graag · Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 7

What kind of gear shift delays can we expect in next release? Delays in previous version were problematic because people driving with upgrades meant for paddles were almost a second per lap slower than those driving with gated-shifter and appropriate upgrades.

This was totally unacceptable for two finnish leagues which drove seasons with the mod. Other of them told to drivers that everyone should use gear upgrades which have no delays at all. Other one made their own version of the mod, which had proper delays and no cd-check.

In these two leagues we have driven few seasons with paddle delays about 0.09s - 0.15s, which have been pretty even when compared to shifter with no delay. In both leagues all driving aid are disabled. Even auto-clutch.

In my opinion it does not matter that driving with shifter is more difficult than with paddles. Those who go for maximum realism accept mistakes that come with it.

So can we expect some sort of reasonable delays in next release, or do we sort the problem in our own way?

Rantam · Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject:

Can't answer you right now if there will be delays in the gears' upgrades.

But talking about unacceptable or reasonable things.. To share a modification of this mod without cd check is much more unacceptable and/or unreasonable than having that delay.

Regards
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Graag · Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 7